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Guest Wrote:

I UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT THE GUY GETTING PUT IN A HEADLOCK BUT I GUESS YOU ALSO DIDINT SEE THE GUY FROM HERITAGE THROW A PUNCH. IM SURPRISED TO SEE THE LIBERTY PLAYER SHOW SOME SPORTSMANSHIP AND NOT HIT BACK. THE REFS DIDNT SEE IT BUT I HAVE THE GAME ON FILM HE HIT HIM. SO DONT TRY TO MAKE LIBERTY KIDS SEEM LIKE THERE THE ONLY ONE'S THAT DID WRONG.

I just wanted to clarify that whoever said this is an idiot and no Heritage player ever threw a punch. I watched the whole incident on tape many times and it just proved to me that Liberty is a low-class team

I was also at that game. Liberty is not in the same class as Heritage at all right now, and may not be for a while. Liberty has a couple of guys who are more interested in hurting someone than playing the game. The incident in the first game was completely unnecessary. The Liberty coach seemed to condone the behavior by leaving his players in the game while the Heritage player never returned. This should be a great rivalry in the future, but for now I'm predicting a Heritage sweep.

Guest Wrote:

LOL! yeah I think that guy was PERSONALLY ATTACKING WILLIAMS! Not sure how you got that from his post or that he was saying everyone at DLS has perfect ball handles.

He is saying that it is wrong for grown men to criticize a kid for doing something good. Douglas did good and from the past posts on this site it seemed like everybody wanted him to be a complete failure.He proved you guys wrong and now you want to critcize his playing ability.Criticize Brandon for not being able to shoot a lick(AIRBALLED A FREE THROW) and not shutting down a kid who everyone thinks is a average player.Whether he was sick or not,if you play, you better ball the way you ball when your healthy.There should be no excuses what so ever.They are both good players but Douglas is better to be really honest sith you guys because:
1)Leading his team with a hurt Williams to the playoffs
2)Has no help at all from his teammates
3)Mr.Everything for that team
4)Plays through injuries or sickness(Battled a bad back for half of the season)
5)Real humble and let his game speak
I bet if calvin was at de la you would not hear people downplaying this kid.

I see all this hype and all this about how brandon smith, calvin douglas and jordan knox are the best guards in the league but is anyone paying attention to deer valleys guards?I mean calvi is the best guard in the league hands down but D'angelo williams and Tyree
murray are lighting the league up as well i mean they have very little help from there young team but the two of them deserve a lot more credit than what their getting...Murray had 20 points and held douglas to 10 or 12 in their 1st meeting and also lead his team to a win while williams had 15 second half points...and against heritage who is so highly hyped Murray had 23 and williams had 22 while knox had 8...and you are telling me that these 2 kids aren't good? i just think that you might be paying a little too much attention to some players and are sleeping on a few...

Murray & Williams are good guards. But a healthy Knox cleans up both of them. Knox has been playing with a goin strain most of the season and his is still putting up decent numbers. Yes indeed, he only scored 8 points against Deer Valley in the first game on 1 1/2 leg and Deer Valley only beat Heritage by 5 points. Not saying Murray & Williams aren't good but Smith & Knox are better. And btw: Douglas is not the best guard in the league. He is the best player right now, but not the best guard.

I get your point but you cant speak on a healthy knox if he isnt healthy we could talk about what he could be doing and has done in the past but its present right now and right now Murray is a better player not saying that knox wont be or isnt capable of being better but at the moment he isnt...Murray isnt healthy either matter fact he had a bad ankle sprain in the Heritage game but the stats and evreything speak for itself and we will see they still have to play onve more anyway but my prediction is that the outcome will be the same Murray is very very underrated

And about smith he is a very good guard as well as knox but you cant really compare smith and murray because of the 2 different styles they play...Murray is a scoring point guard who can pass and smith is a true point guard with not a lot of scoring ability but i doubt smith is a better overall player he is just in a better system with better role players that make him look better...i believe Murray should make 1st team all league do you agree???

I'm not taking anything away from Murray & Williams on Deer Valley's team. It is also not up me to indicate whether they are 1st team BVAL players or not. That's up to the coaches in the BVAL. I do feel Murray & Williams are good players, but in the eye(s) of a college scout neither one of them plays defense. You can go to any high school and find players that average 20 points a game, but the questions you (as a Deer Valley Fan) should ask are these players game changers on offense & defense. In my opinion, I see Smith & Knox as Juniors being better than Murray & Williams as Seniors. Why?
They both play defense, and they typically guard the other teams best guard. Do I think Williams & Murray have the potential to play at the next level? The answer is yes. Do I think Smith & Knox are better overall? The answer is yes. Again, it doesn't matter if you score 20 points a game and you're giving up 18-20 points a game.

Guest Wrote:

LOL! yeah I think that guy was PERSONALLY ATTACKING WILLIAMS! Not sure how you got that from his post or that he was saying everyone at DLS has perfect ball handles.

He is saying that it is wrong for grown men to criticize a kid for doing something good. Douglas did good and from the past posts on this site it seemed like everybody wanted him to be a complete failure.He proved you guys wrong and now you want to critcize his playing ability.Criticize Brandon for not being able to shoot a lick(AIRBALLED A FREE THROW) and not shutting down a kid who everyone thinks is a average player.Whether he was sick or not,if you play, you better ball the way you ball when your healthy.There should be no excuses what so ever.They are both good players but Douglas is better to be really honest sith you guys because:
1)Leading his team with a hurt Williams to the playoffs
2)Has no help at all from his teammates
3)Mr.Everything for that team
4)Plays through injuries or sickness(Battled a bad back for half of the season)
5)Real humble and let his game speak
I bet if calvin was at de la you would not hear people downplaying this kid.

I see all this hype and all this about how brandon smith, calvin douglas and jordan knox are the best guards in the league but is anyone paying attention to deer valleys guards?I mean calvi is the best guard in the league hands down but D'angelo williams and Tyree
murray are lighting the league up as well i mean they have very little help from there young team but the two of them deserve a lot more credit than what their getting...Murray had 20 points and held douglas to 10 or 12 in their 1st meeting and also lead his team to a win while williams had 15 second half points...and against heritage who is so highly hyped Murray had 23 and williams had 22 while knox had 8...and you are telling me that these 2 kids aren't good? i just think that you might be paying a little too much attention to some players and are sleeping on a few...

Murray & Williams are good guards. But a healthy Knox cleans up both of them. Knox has been playing with a goin strain most of the season and his is still putting up decent numbers. Yes indeed, he only scored 8 points against Deer Valley in the first game on 1 1/2 leg and Deer Valley only beat Heritage by 5 points. Not saying Murray & Williams aren't good but Smith & Knox are better. And btw: Douglas is not the best guard in the league. He is the best player right now, but not the best guard.

I get your point but you cant speak on a healthy knox if he isnt healthy we could talk about what he could be doing and has done in the past but its present right now and right now Murray is a better player not saying that knox wont be or isnt capable of being better but at the moment he isnt...Murray isnt healthy either matter fact he had a bad ankle sprain in the Heritage game but the stats and evreything speak for itself and we will see they still have to play onve more anyway but my prediction is that the outcome will be the same Murray is very very underrated

And about smith he is a very good guard as well as knox but you cant really compare smith and murray because of the 2 different styles they play...Murray is a scoring point guard who can pass and smith is a true point guard with not a lot of scoring ability but i doubt smith is a better overall player he is just in a better system with better role players that make him look better...i believe Murray should make 1st team all league do you agree???

I'm not taking anything away from Murray & Williams on Deer Valley's team. It is also not up me to indicate whether they are 1st team BVAL players or not. That's up to the coaches in the BVAL. I do feel Murray & Williams are good players, but in the eye(s) of a college scout neither one of them plays defense. You can go to any high school and find players that average 20 points a game, but the questions you (as a Deer Valley Fan) should ask are these players game changers on offense & defense. In my opinion, I see Smith & Knox as Juniors being better than Murray & Williams as Seniors. Why?
They both play defense, and they typically guard the other teams best guard. Do I think Williams & Murray have the potential to play at the next level? The answer is yes. Do I think Smith & Knox are better overall? The answer is yes. Again, it doesn't matter if you score 20 points a game and you're giving up 18-20 points a game.

I think Williams & Murray need to focus on making NCS, instead of making 1st team BVAL. That leads me to believe that they are focused more on individual stats, than team wins. But to answer your question, don't be surprised if DeLa has 3 players on the first team, and 2 of those 3 players are not even in the top 10 in scoring.
The reason this might happen, is because they win games. Oh, BTW: wasn't DV up by 17 points against Antioch recently, and then Douglas & Tim Williams went off in the second half/fourth quarter. I agree with the earlier post, yeah Williams & Murray had good individual offensive stats, but they let Douglas go off for 30 points and Wiliams had 23.

Murray & Williams are good guards. But a healthy Knox cleans up both of them. Knox has been playing with a goin strain most of the season and his is still putting up decent numbers. Yes indeed, he only scored 8 points against Deer Valley in the first game on 1 1/2 leg and Deer Valley only beat Heritage by 5 points. Not saying Murray & Williams aren't good but Smith & Knox are better. And btw: Douglas is not the best guard in the league. He is the best player right now, but not the best guard.
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I get your point but you cant speak on a healthy knox if he isnt healthy we could talk about what he could be doing and has done in the past but its present right now and right now Murray is a better player not saying that knox wont be or isnt capable of being better but at the moment he isnt...Murray isnt healthy either matter fact he had a bad ankle sprain in the Heritage game but the stats and evreything speak for itself and we will see they still have to play onve more anyway but my prediction is that the outcome will be the same Murray is very very underrated
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And about smith he is a very good guard as well as knox but you cant really compare smith and murray because of the 2 different styles they play...Murray is a scoring point guard who can pass and smith is a true point guard with not a lot of scoring ability but i doubt smith is a better overall player he is just in a better system with better role players that make him look better...i believe Murray should make 1st team all league do you agree???
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I'm not taking anything away from Murray & Williams on Deer Valley's team. It is also not up me to indicate whether they are 1st team BVAL players or not. That's up to the coaches in the BVAL. I do feel Murray & Williams are good players, but in the eye(s) of a college scout neither one of them plays defense. You can go to any high school and find players that average 20 points a game, but the questions you (as a Deer Valley Fan) should ask are these players game changers on offense & defense. In my opinion, I see Smith & Knox as Juniors being better than Murray & Williams as Seniors. Why?
They both play defense, and they typically guard the other teams best guard. Do I think Williams & Murray have the potential to play at the next level? The answer is yes. Do I think Smith & Knox are better overall? The answer is yes. Again, it doesn't matter if you score 20 points a game and you're giving up 18-20 points a game.
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No, D1 scouts have already handed in their verdict as to who's game is next level desirable. There's a reason why players raise the level of their team to winning. Knox, Williams & Smith are recruitable at this time. You opinion as well as mine don't matter.

Guest Wrote:

Murray & Williams are good guards. But a healthy Knox cleans up both of them. Knox has been playing with a goin strain most of the season and his is still putting up decent numbers. Yes indeed, he only scored 8 points against Deer Valley in the first game on 1 1/2 leg and Deer Valley only beat Heritage by 5 points. Not saying Murray & Williams aren't good but Smith & Knox are better. And btw: Douglas is not the best guard in the league. He is the best player right now, but not the best guard.

I get your point but you cant speak on a healthy knox if he isnt healthy we could talk about what he could be doing and has done in the past but its present right now and right now Murray is a better player not saying that knox wont be or isnt capable of being better but at the moment he isnt...Murray isnt healthy either matter fact he had a bad ankle sprain in the Heritage game but the stats and evreything speak for itself and we will see they still have to play onve more anyway but my prediction is that the outcome will be the same Murray is very very underrated
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And about smith he is a very good guard as well as knox but you cant really compare smith and murray because of the 2 different styles they play...Murray is a scoring point guard who can pass and smith is a true point guard with not a lot of scoring ability but i doubt smith is a better overall player he is just in a better system with better role players that make him look better...i believe Murray should make 1st team all league do you agree???
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I'm not taking anything away from Murray & Williams on Deer Valley's team. It is also not up me to indicate whether they are 1st team BVAL players or not. That's up to the coaches in the BVAL. I do feel Murray & Williams are good players, but in the eye(s) of a college scout neither one of them plays defense. You can go to any high school and find players that average 20 points a game, but the questions you (as a Deer Valley Fan) should ask are these players game changers on offense & defense. In my opinion, I see Smith & Knox as Juniors being better than Murray & Williams as Seniors. Why?
They both play defense, and they typically guard the other teams best guard. Do I think Williams & Murray have the potential to play at the next level? The answer is yes. Do I think Smith & Knox are better overall? The answer is yes. Again, it doesn't matter if you score 20 points a game and you're giving up 18-20 points a game.
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No, D1 scouts have already handed in their verdict as to who's game is next level desirable. There's a reason why players raise the level of their team to winning. Knox, Williams & Smith are recruitable at this time. You opinion as well as mine don't matter.
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I agree with you.

Guest Wrote:

LOL! yeah I think that guy was PERSONALLY ATTACKING WILLIAMS! Not sure how you got that from his post or that he was saying everyone at DLS has perfect ball handles.

He is saying that it is wrong for grown men to criticize a kid for doing something good. Douglas did good and from the past posts on this site it seemed like everybody wanted him to be a complete failure.He proved you guys wrong and now you want to critcize his playing ability.Criticize Brandon for not being able to shoot a lick(AIRBALLED A FREE THROW) and not shutting down a kid who everyone thinks is a average player.Whether he was sick or not,if you play, you better ball the way you ball when your healthy.There should be no excuses what so ever.They are both good players but Douglas is better to be really honest sith you guys because:
1)Leading his team with a hurt Williams to the playoffs
2)Has no help at all from his teammates
3)Mr.Everything for that team
4)Plays through injuries or sickness(Battled a bad back for half of the season)
5)Real humble and let his game speak
I bet if calvin was at de la you would not hear people downplaying this kid.

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C'mon man, you dont have to go there. (Your son, cousin, friend or yourself) Calvin is good. Let's not throw dirt on anybody else and hope to come out looking clean! First of all Calvin has the most dominant man in the BVAL,in Big Tim Williams, (" Has no help at all from his teammates"),so he does have help on that team and you should appreciate that.

You cited another kid's "sickness" and said he'd better ball no matter what and in the same breath you said about Calvin .."Battled a bad back for half of the season".
Ballin is about winning, PERIOD! If you want respect for your program, come out and let a kid's game speak for itself, don't DISRESPECT. I don't agree with the criticism of Calvin's game, but i also don't agrre with what you just did....don't drag someone else in it (criticize another kid) and feel justified in it. You will only pull more dirt on the player you're pushin.

Guest Wrote:

LOL! yeah I think that guy was PERSONALLY ATTACKING WILLIAMS! Not sure how you got that from his post or that he was saying everyone at DLS has perfect ball handles.

He is saying that it is wrong for grown men to criticize a kid for doing something good. Douglas did good and from the past posts on this site it seemed like everybody wanted him to be a complete failure.He proved you guys wrong and now you want to critcize his playing ability.Criticize Brandon for not being able to shoot a lick(AIRBALLED A FREE THROW) and not shutting down a kid who everyone thinks is a average player.Whether he was sick or not,if you play, you better ball the way you ball when your healthy.There should be no excuses what so ever.They are both good players but Douglas is better to be really honest sith you guys because:
1)Leading his team with a hurt Williams to the playoffs
2)Has no help at all from his teammates
3)Mr.Everything for that team
4)Plays through injuries or sickness(Battled a bad back for half of the season)
5)Real humble and let his game speak
I bet if calvin was at de la you would not hear people downplaying this kid.

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C'mon man, you dont have to go there. (Your son, cousin, friend or yourself) Calvin is good. Let's not throw dirt on anybody else and hope to come out looking clean! First of all Calvin has the most dominant man in the BVAL,in Big Tim Williams, (" Has no help at all from his teammates"),so he does have help on that team and you should appreciate that.

You cited another kid's "sickness" and said he'd better ball no matter what and in the same breath you said about Calvin .."Battled a bad back for half of the season".
Ballin is about winning, PERIOD! If you want respect for your program, come out and let a kid's game speak for itself, don't DISRESPECT. I don't agree with the criticism of Calvin's game, but i also don't agrre with what you just did....don't drag someone else in it (criticize another kid) and feel justified in it. You will only pull more dirt on the player you're pushin.

Why are you so sensitive when anyone brings up Calvin's name? Criticism or not, Dude you gotta chill. If you think this criticism is harsh (and it's not), what are you going to do when Calvin is getting criticized at the next level. Calvin is good, BUT HE IS NOT ABOVE CRITICISM. NO ONE IS..

Guest Wrote:

LOL! yeah I think that guy was PERSONALLY ATTACKING WILLIAMS! Not sure how you got that from his post or that he was saying everyone at DLS has perfect ball handles.

He is saying that it is wrong for grown men to criticize a kid for doing something good. Douglas did good and from the past posts on this site it seemed like everybody wanted him to be a complete failure.He proved you guys wrong and now you want to critcize his playing ability.Criticize Brandon for not being able to shoot a lick(AIRBALLED A FREE THROW) and not shutting down a kid who everyone thinks is a average player.Whether he was sick or not,if you play, you better ball the way you ball when your healthy.There should be no excuses what so ever.They are both good players but Douglas is better to be really honest sith you guys because:
1)Leading his team with a hurt Williams to the playoffs
2)Has no help at all from his teammates
3)Mr.Everything for that team
4)Plays through injuries or sickness(Battled a bad back for half of the season)
5)Real humble and let his game speak
I bet if calvin was at de la you would not hear people downplaying this kid.

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C'mon man, you dont have to go there. (Your son, cousin, friend or yourself) Calvin is good. Let's not throw dirt on anybody else and hope to come out looking clean! First of all Calvin has the most dominant man in the BVAL,in Big Tim Williams, (" Has no help at all from his teammates"),so he does have help on that team and you should appreciate that.

You cited another kid's "sickness" and said he'd better ball no matter what and in the same breath you said about Calvin .."Battled a bad back for half of the season".
Ballin is about winning, PERIOD! If you want respect for your program, come out and let a kid's game speak for itself, don't DISRESPECT. I don't agree with the criticism of Calvin's game, but i also don't agrre with what you just did....don't drag someone else in it (criticize another kid) and feel justified in it. You will only pull more dirt on the player you're pushin.

Good players get theirs.
Better players get theirs while holding other players to less.
Great players do whatever it takes to get the win and makes everyone around them better....That's what D1 colleges drool over.
Everyone knows who the truly great ones are and "bashing" and "hyping" won't win your case...Johnie Cochran

Murray & Williams are good highschool guards at best. Both look awkward with the ball, niether has enough to play further than a JC. Douglas with some hard work (on defense, and ball handeling) could be anwhere from low to mid major. Knox and Smith (considering it's being said Smith has some low & mid major offers already) are mid major to high D1. Whoever is saying Murray or Williams is better than any of those three needs to stop sipping his uncle Jimmy's cough medicine.

Guest Wrote:

Murray & Williams are good highschool guards at best. Both look awkward with the ball, niether has enough to play further than a JC. Douglas with some hard work (on defense, and ball handeling) could be anwhere from low to mid major. Knox and Smith (considering it's being said Smith has some low & mid major offers already) are mid major to high D1. Whoever is saying Murray or Williams is better than any of those three needs to stop sipping his uncle Jimmy's cough medicine.

Just like the Association or the NCAA, it's all about can your get your team to the playoffs or the Big Dance!